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"IMHO that’s a conflict between Western civilization and sociopathic barbarism."

You just described the war between Russia and Ukraine perfectly.

Overlooking the seeming double standard in how you regard US involvement in foreign conflicts, if you study the history of the Ukraine/Russia conflict beyond the recent talking points, I think you'll find a lot there that aligns with what you appear to think about Israel/Palestine.

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Perhaps, the historical records couldn’t be more different. And that’s not even considering the Azov/Banderist factions. We should have worked with Russia and influenced its change gradually with good faith diplomacy. Putin won’t be in charge/live forever. Instead we pushed them into the waiting arms of China. They unfortunately know how to play the long game, we only seem to play for quarterly profits.

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Ah you’ve found your way down into the Bandera rabbit hole 🕳️

As with so much of history, it’s a multi-faceted topic - and one that has almost no actual bearing on the current conflict. I’m afraid you’ve fallen for propaganda if you think that’s a significant factor in what’s happening in Ukraine right now.

I would again invite you to apply the same standards you’re applying here to your conflict of choice.

Do settlers/settlements make Israel’s defensive war illegitimate or their fault or an American op?

Could you play the “good faith diplomacy” game with Hamas to prevent their attacks?

The entities and specific motivations differ greatly but the psychology of the aggressors share’s commonalities.

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I specifically said “ And that’s NOT EVEN CONSIDERING the Azov/Banderist factions.”

A death cult like Hamas isn’t remotely comparable with Russia, sorry.

I’ll agree to disagree with you, but I have no interest in talking circles. I’m not up for playing a Socratic game on Ukraine/Russia. 🤷‍♂️

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Uh huh, and you brought them up because you didn’t think they were worth considering in the conversation, right?

Now I’ll do one: “don’t associate this conversation with pink elephants”

Indeed we’ll have to agree to disagree. In my view you’re applying double standards and overlooking some very real parallels but I’m happy to leave it there.

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